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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Maybe we'll get to the bottom of GW after all!!! Reply with quote

The founder of the Weather Channel is really pissed off ( Evil or Very Mad ) at his baby for so backing Algore. He's going to sue Al in court because they can't get a debate anywhere else.

Then ALL of these UNANIMOUS HIGHLY CREDIBLE ONLY GUYS WHO KNOW ANYTHING WORTH KNOWING SCIENTISTS will be supeonaed and have to testify under oath against the few and scraggly non-believer no credible don't know their weather from shineola scientists.

mono et mono

in the street.

And we'll finally find out who does all their lying before breakfast and who does it after breakfast.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will turn out the way it turns out, but here's why they need to make their case:


Climate panel on the hot seat
By H. Sterling Burnett
March 14, 2008

More than 20 years ago, climate scientists began to raise alarms over the possibility global temperatures were rising due to human activities, such as deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels.

To better understand this potential threat, the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations created the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 1988 to provide a "comprehensive, objective, scientific, technical and socioeconomic assessment of human-caused climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation."

IPCC reports have predicted average world temperatures will increase dramatically, leading to the spread of tropical diseases, severe drought, the rapid melting of the world's glaciers and ice caps, and rising sea levels. However, several assessments of the IPCC's work have shown the techniques and methods used to derive its climate predictions are fundamentally flawed.

In a 2001 report, the IPCC published an image commonly referred to as the "hockey stick." This graph showed relatively stable temperatures from A.D. 1000 to 1900, with temperatures rising steeply from 1900 to 2000. The IPCC and public figures, such as former Vice President Al Gore, have used the hockey stick to support the conclusion that human energy use over the last 100 years has caused unprecedented rise global warming.

However, several studies cast doubt on the accuracy of the hockey stick, and in 2006 Congress requested an independent analysis of it. A panel of statisticians chaired by Edward J. Wegman, of George Mason University, found significant problems with the methods of statistical analysis used by the researchers and with the IPCC's peer review process. For example, the researchers who created the hockey stick used the wrong time scale to establish the mean temperature to compare with recorded temperatures of the last century. Because the mean temperature was low, the recent temperature rise seemed unusual and dramatic. This error was not discovered in part because statisticians were never consulted.

Furthermore, the community of specialists in ancient climates from which the peer reviewers were drawn was small and many of them had ties to the original authors 43 paleoclimatologists had previously coauthored papers with the lead researcher who constructed the hockey stick.
These problems led Mr. Wegman's team to conclude that the idea that the planet is experiencing unprecedented global warming "cannot be supported."

The IPCC published its Fourth Assessment Report in 2007 predicting global warming will lead to widespread catastrophe if not mitigated, yet failed to provide the most basic requirement for effective climate policy: accurate temperature statistics. A number of weaknesses in the measurements include the fact temperatures aren't recorded from large areas of the Earth's surface and many weather stations once in undeveloped areas are now surrounded by buildings, parking lots and other heat-trapping structures resulting in an urban-heat-island effect.
Even using accurate temperature data, sound forecasting methods are required to predict climate change. Over time, forecasting researchers have compiled 140 principles that can be applied to a broad range of disciplines, including science, sociology, economics and politics.

In a recent NCPA study, Kesten Green and J. Scott Armstrong used these principles to audit the climate forecasts in the Fourth Assessment Report. Messrs. Green and Armstrong found the IPCC clearly violated 60 of the 127 principles relevant in assessing the IPCC predictions. Indeed, it could only be clearly established that the IPCC followed 17 of the more than 127 forecasting principles critical to making sound predictions.

A good example of a principle clearly violated is "Make sure forecasts are independent of politics." Politics shapes the IPCC from beginning to end. Legislators, policymakers and/or diplomatic appointees select (or approve) the scientists at least the lead scientists who make up the IPCC. In addition, the summary and the final draft of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report was written in collaboration with political appointees and subject to their approval.

Sadly, Mr. Green and Mr. Armstrong found no evidence the IPCC was even aware of the vast literature on scientific forecasting methods, much less applied the principles.

The IPCC and its defenders often argue that critics who are not climate scientists are unqualified to judge the validity of their work. However, climate predictions rely on methods, data and evidence from other fields of expertise, including statistical analysis and forecasting. Thus, the work of the IPCC is open to analysis and criticism from other disciplines.
The IPCC's policy recommendations are based on flawed statistical analyses and procedures that violate general forecasting principles. Policymakers should take this into account before enacting laws to counter global warming which economists point out would have severe economic consequences.

H. Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis, a nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute in Dallas.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well
gee
it'd be great if there WAS no global warming
but i don't go by any "hockey stick" chart
I go by the fact that all the glaciers on the world's mountains are CLEARLY receeding
the ice caps have CLEARLY halved
and there are now CLEARLY seaways up north that countries are CLEARLY now fighting over, for the first time in history

the ONLY debate left is how much is man caused

and it would be quite a co-incidence that this all happened just as the industrial revolution began

it would be just as easy to say "any scientist who doesn't think it's even happening
is lying"
as it is for you to claim "all the other scientists on earth are lying"

this theory that almost all scientists who think global warming is man caused
are lying to get grant money
is pretty far fetched

credible scientists
don't get very far
if they get caught foisting scams for grant money

if you found one
it'd be a scandal
and that guy would be toast

all of them?

nay

can't buy it

this is getting on the level of the people who say the government crumbled the world trade center with space death rays
and shot the pentagon with a missile
and hid the plane
and dissolved all the passengers in acid

when a conspiracy theory gets too big
i have to ask if humans are slick enough to pull off something that convoluted and intense

and i don't

shit
no two people can even keep one secret for a month
or one lie straight for two tellings

i can't but it

look
it's gonna be real simple to win me over
when you show me a satellite photo
that indicates that the polar ice caps
have suddenly doubled again
and are now back to where they were 50 years ago
and there is no northwest passage waterway any more

my ears will prick up
big time

so where's that photo?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an article about ten years ago, about how scientist doing work on permafrost and sheet ice from both have found that global warming happens every ten thousand years!
According to there research, and they were concluding that global was a natural occurence
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so
it MIGHT be
and if it IS
that's just that much more reason not to speed it up
when it happens gradually
things can adapt
not if it happens in the next 20 years

the last time the oceans got 2 degrees hotter than they are now
it released so much frozen methane
from the ocean floors
it killed 90% of all life on earth

and even 10,000 years ago
the ice caps didn't melt completely
but it looks like now they are going to

what stops them
they think
is when the ice melts enough
the salinity of the ocean drops
and that stops the heat-conveyor-belt currents
which causes an ice age

but in all this
the polar bears never went extinct

polar bears are tens of millions of years old

now they might go extinct

something doesn't add up with the natural causes theory

besides
every word i hear against global warming
just puts us five days farther from getting off fossil fuels

we need to get off fossil fuels as fast as possible

they are poisoning us
and rendering us vulnerable to our enemies
and future generations will need them for other things

using up ALL of ANYTHING
in two or three generations
seems biopathic to me

we burn up 1000 years of carbon sequestration
every half hour
that can't be healthy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The damage or escalation started with the industeral revolution and the growth of the mills in the north of england! Maybe if the luddites got there way then the growth of pollution wouldn't be as it is today!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well
london was the most polluted city on earth BEFORE the industrial revolution
because of horse feces in the streets
and coal and wood burning stoves
and from people pouring garbage and sewage out of their windows
straight onto the streets
so i don't think luditism is the answer
especially NOW
for sure

i think we have
and WILL HAVE EVEN MORE IN THE FUTURE
the technology to clean our act up
but the key factor is making clean tech that ends up being cheaper than fossil fuels
and it's rapidly getting there
the oil is running out

and burning coal in its dirty state
HAS a cost
Evil or Very Mad a health cost

it has to be factored in
and people will see how expensive it really is
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


It only took 2 million trees to publish my new book..hey,Im AL GORE..
I CAN DO THAT! heheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EEEEEEEEEEgore Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green HEY..HE HAS HIS OWN ICON
MR GREEN... Mr. Green Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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